For my students in the day game, I have a central message. During the day, you should avoid looking like a creeper/stalker/mass murderer 100 times more than in a club where creepy asshole behavior is expected. If you’re in a supermarket and open game after game like in a club, you look like one of the aforementioned bastards. And security will chase you or send you a letter like this guy who is on one of the PUA forums…
I am sending you this because we have received reports of your borderline sexual misconduct involving students here at UCLA. Several women have notified us multiple times that their actions make them feel uncomfortable. Our members have noticed that you annoy the freshmen in the Ackerman Student Union. We have records of your prior writings and we want you to know that if any other incidents occur, steps will be taken to ensure the safety of our students. These measures may include: deportation, imprisonment, and/or mandatory psychological counseling.
We have the best interests of our students in mind and have a zero tolerance policy for bullying.
Here’s the fun. This letter was fake. Some female students got together and created this letter to keep an eye on themselves. That’s how badly calibrated this poor fool is. She decided to keep dating trying to flirt the exact same way over and over again after receiving this letter. Ummmm missed the point.
Guy. The day game is different. In one place, you can open 1-3 sets before you are chased by security guards or reported by employees. This is not a night game where you have 20 games to open. Everyone can see and feel your vibe. YOU DON’T WANT TO LOOK LIKE A PICK UP ARTIST. Because if you do, you will be reported to the police. GAUGE YOUR AROUND. Imagine you are a security guard at a local/supermarket/farmers market/Starbucks and they see you talk to a woman for 2 minutes and get a number. Then he talks to another woman. And the next one. In your brain you figure you’re going to be a hero when you stop this guy from making a skin costume out of the ladies in the dungeon basement of him after telling them, “Put the lotion on the skin.”
You have 1-2 two starts per spot, and that’s it. The mall may be different because there are scattered locations. But CALIBRATE yourself against looking like a stalker or a creep.
At the 2010 PUA Summit we took this to the extreme. Vince Kelvin had hosted a daytime gaming workshop at the Hollywood and Highland mall and unleashed all the VIP and Platinum guys in the mall at once. The women who opened up more than once? Afraid. “ARE YOU ONE OF THOSE PICK-UP ARTISTS?” Vince had obviously done this at this mall before. Or these women had been opened before.
Student after student told me, “Yes, I tried, but these Hollywood girls are so tough.” Of course they’ve been fooled to death by their ability to be open with guys with skills when instructors and pua groups come out en masse like this! The 5 students that came with me for the day game boot camp had 3 starts (I limited them to avoid creeper mode) and 1 guy ended up on an instant date with a model, another guy used his new, “Can you tell? Where’s the Michael Jackson star? Well let’s date you take me there” Gambit and number closed and installed an extremely attractive woman, and the other 3 had success opening and snagging outfits (but were unaware of transitions) . 1 hour was not enough to teach them. But the bottom line was that teaching the game of the day is more about teaching anti-creepy, anti-pua behavior than it is about gambits. Idiots dress up as picks during the day and open millions of stages, attracting security guards and cameras.
That’s why the dojo for social training is the club. You CAN talk to many women there and improve your skills. No matter what a guy says, day game makes learning how to talk to women take MUCH LONGER because you only get max 3 games per place before you get kicked out. At the club you could have up to 20 games and end up being the socially proven cool guy. Also, I couldn’t hear a word the students were saying at any given time. Being 5 feet away from a student’s conversation also creates some creepy tension! You had to be 10 to 20 feet away to remain incognito.
Learn social arts at the club first. Then during the day learn too, but don’t think it’s the club. 1-3 games to come and then move on. And make friends with security or the police to make it less creepy.
Addendum: In the end, the RSH guy found out that the email was a fraud and not from the campus police. However, he shows that someone found his actions creepy (creepy enough to make a fake security email), and that several people on campus conspired to tell him to leave. The same thing. And there are some idiots on that forum CHEERING HIM for getting kicked out of a place because he shows that he’s upping his game. Guffaw stay away from that advice 🙂
The RSD forum post can be viewed by clicking here to view his letter.
